postmodernmulticoloredcloak:

formidablepassion:

obsessionisaperfume:

fangirlingtodeath513:

hey so if Cas becomes human, he doesn’t belong to the empty anymore, right? So, uh…… isn’t that a solution?

YES. YES IT IS.

Here’s the thing though, an angel is never really human, are they? 

I mean even with Anna who fell and lived life from birth as a “human” heard angel radio and was able to accept her grace back and become an angel again. A normal human can’t take someone’s grace and become human. Lily Sunder is the closest we have to that and it was magic. So The Empty has a claim on any angelic and demonic lives, don’t they?

I saw (skimmed cause I was at work) the meta on this and now can’t credit the person who I saw it from. Meta folks please help and maybe link the post? 
@mittensmorgul @postmodernmulticoloredcloak ummm…. others that I can’t think to tag right now because I had to have a drink for that episode. 

It’s likely that it doesn’t matter to the Empty. It wanted Jack because it was a nephilim, even if it was currently just equipped with his human soul. So once an angel always an angel, I suppose?

Heck I have written a boatload on angel grace, human souls, and the differences and similarities. My tags are “on the nature of angel grace” and “angels and souls.” (I’d link the tags, but tumblr… just search for those phrases on my blog)

I have long essays on what an angel is without grace, and the slim difference between angel grace and a human soul. If I had time to find the specific posts that deal with this, I would, but I’m super overwhelmed at the moment. hmu in a couple days if you need me to expand on this…

But an angel without grace (ie the power pack we call mojo, that does the magic stuff), is essentially a human soul. Not only demonstrated by Anna being born human (and humans are born with supernatural abilities, like psychics, natural witches, etc., and there probably are humans who can pick up on angel radio, or at least it’s not outside the realm of possibility), but also demonstrated by Cas repeatedly identifying himself as human when his grace was removed. Not to mention Jack referring to himself as purely human when his grace was removed.

When Cas was fully human, he wasn’t waiting for his grace to replenish, like he was telling Jack might happen to him. Because ALL of Cas’s grace was gone. There was no grace left to replenish, you know?

But the Empty might have other ideas regardless of Cas is angel or human, just like Billie believed she could send Dean and Sam to the empty. It could be that Cas cutting out his grace to satisfy the Empty’s deal could work, but maybe not.

We await more canon.

Mothers, destiny, death in 14×08

postmodernmulticoloredcloak:

Hey, Mom, it’s me. Sorry to lay this on your voicemail, but, uh… it’s Jack. He… he got sick, um, and he, uh… h-he died… this morning. I would have called you sooner, but, um, it – it happened so fast. And we thought we could fix it, you know, like always. Anyway, Mom, I’m sorry. I know how much he meant to you and, uh, to all of us. Anyway, to tell you the truth, it would really be nice to hear your voice. If you could, uh, just call us back.

The episode emphasized the absence of Mary. Dean’s words don’t just inform us that he’s letting Mary know about Jack’s death, but also that “it would really be nice to hear your voice”, meaning she hasn’t really been in touch. Dean misses her. She’s not there. Again and again the narrative tells us in more or less little ways – she has come back to life, but she’s not present in her sons’ lives.

Conversely, Kelly has died, but it feels she’s closer to Jack than Mary, alive, is close to Dean and Sam. She is there without being physically present on earth – she’s left her message to Jack, her parents talk fondly about her, and now she’s actually met Jack in heaven.

Cas picking up Kelly’s picture on Jack’s nightstand reminds me of Amara picking up Mary’s picture from Dean’s nightstand while she was going around the bunker. At the time, she was also a dead mother whose memory and picture Dean had with himself, and who he’d seen through supernatural creatures taking her shape (like Mia the shapeshifter did with Jack, although in her case it was a benevolent action, while Dean had to face Eve, Zachariah’s fake heaven Mary… not exactly pleasant experiences).

In this episode, Dean disparages the “meant to be crap”, and I’m not expecting anything less from Mr Free Will, but some “meant to be crap” is real and subverting it messes up with things (Billie, not coincidentally, was mentioned in the episode…).

Both Mary and Kelly were meant to die. As she chose to have her nephilim child born, Kelly’s fate was to die as she gave birth. Mary was meant to die as the mother of the vessels for the apocalypse archangel showdown. While her death appeared more coincidental than Kelly’s – if she’d not gone into Sam’s nursery that night…? – her death was a fundamental element in the story.

This doesn’t feel right. It’s just not how I thought Jack’s story would end. […] The certainty… of death, even for angels, it’s always felt natural, but this doesn’t. Jack being taken before his time. I mean, taken before me.

While this can be read as the unnaturality of a child dying before their parent (which definitely is what Cas is expressing, I’m not saying it isn’t) it also drops the idea of what feels like a ‘right’ ending of a story. Jack’s story wasn’t supposed to end with his untimely death from some sickness… Conversely, Kelly’s story was always supposed to end with her death to give Jack life. And Mary’s story was always supposed to end with her death. “If she’d not gone into Sam’s nursery that night” is an empty question, because that’s simply not what happened. Mary’s death triggered the course of events that prepared Sam and Dean as vessels (of course, Dean’s stubbornness treasuring free will was the wild card).

Mary’s death was the natural end of her story. Her presence is unnatural. Of course, Dean’s relationship with the natural order has always been extremely complex, so I don’t know whether he’s going to fight this particular piece of destiny and change the nature of Mary’s new presence on earth.

People have been wondering whether it wasn’t a coincidence that the people who spent the most time in the apocalypse world after the rift was opened (Lucifer came back pretty soon) have been Mary and Jack, the latter the one who caused the rift in the first place, and the former an element of unbalance in the world. And now she’s basically retired with one of the humans from the other world. Coincidence…?

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margarittet:

dimples-of-discontent:

teamfreewill-girl:

Michael: *kills Cas*

Empty: I SAID WHEN YOU ARE HAPPY *bring back Cas to life*

Cas: *dies saving his family*

Empty: Is the word happy hard to understand? *brings back Cas*

Dean: Will you marry me… *empty comes all happy* bro?

Empty: Are they kidding me??!?!?

Chuck: Welcome in my world been watching them for YEARS. The other day they kissed and Dean still called him bro…

Dean: Cas, I love….
**the empty appears**
Cas: …. pie. Yes, I know. I will pick some up on the way home.
**the empty slinks away**

Dean: Cas, there’s something I have to tell you. When you were gone I, uh…
**the empty pokes head around a doorframe**
Cas: …you focused on how to harness Jack’s powers. I understand. It was very important that we figure out how to ensure that he didn’t harm anyone.
**the empty withdraws, muttering**

Dean: Cas, listen, you remember that time you were dying because you got stabbed in the side by a lance? You remember what you said?
**the empty lifts head from where it is resting on a table, one eye open**
Cas: Yes, Dean.
**the empty sits up**
Dean: Great, so…
Cas: I asked that my last moments not be spent watching you die. Are you dying again?? What can I do??
**the empty places head in hands in despair**

Cas: So, Dean, I’ve been thinking.
**the empty startles awake from under a pile of beer cans**
Dean: Oh yeah, Cas? What about?
Cas: This mixtape you gave me.
Dean: Oh… *rubs neck* …yeah, that.
**the empty leaps up unsteadily and the cans clamor**
Cas: Why didn’t you put these songs on your iPod like you normally do? Did you not know my truck could play an iPod?
**the empty grabs a bottle of whiskey and chugs**

Dean: Cas, man, I really gotta tell you something. And it’s not the kind of thing we usually talk about so hold up on interrupting me.
**the empty, weeping in a corner, scrubs tears away**
Dean: Since you died–the last time I mean–I’ve been thinking a lot about how I missed you. I’ve never missed anyone like that before, and I’ve lost a lot of people. And I think–and no one is more surprised than me, honestly–I think it’s because I love you. 
**the empty stares in slack-jawed disbelief**
Dean: I know it’s because I love you, actually. And I don’t mean “love you like a brother” love you because, heh, well, there’s things I want to do with you that I’d never want to do with my brother! But that’s not important right now. Right now I just need you to know, Cas, that I’m all in. I love you. And I’m not going anywhere. What do you say?
**the empty staggers to its feet, now crying tears of joy**
Cas: …. Sorry, Dean, what was that? I was listening to Angel Radio so I couldn’t hear you.
The Empty, screaming wildly: WHYYYYYYYY WON’T YOU JUST LET YOURSELF BE HAPPY CAS?!?!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?!? I JUST WANT TO TAKE YOU AWAY BUT I CAN’T BECAUSE YOU ARE NEVER TRULY HAPPY FOR JUST A GODDAMN MOMENT!!! **howling** *unintelligible weeping**

The Empty bet their luck on the happiness of a Winchester… What did it expect?

This is 100% the writers room memo board.

spearywritesstuff:

Simple happiness and 14×8

I bet all it would take at this point for Cas to be completely happy would be Dean casually saying I love you.

Like it would just fall out of his mouth while they were standing next to the Impala, filling up the gas tank or maybe as they were driving to a case.

The day would be just some innocuous day, with some random, easy case. Dean would glance sidelong at Cas, sunlight on his face, and that would be the moment. “God, I love you.” There’d be a brief moment of shock, then a slow smile would claim Cas’ lips.

Then it would all end, not with a kiss, but with the slow realization of just how happy he was in that moment. And in that moment of realization, Dean’s name on his lips, Cas might not even regret any of it.